Location: HR Manager’s Office
Day/Time: Tuesday at 4:10pm
Set Up: Throughout the day, the HR Manager (Dave Smith) has been conducting interviews for a Communications Coordinator position. This is an entry level position for a new graduate of a post-secondary Communications program. The last interview for the day was scheduled for 4:00pm, but the applicant has not yet arrived for the interview.
PART 1:
(Telephone rings)
HR Manager (DS): Dave Smith speaking.
Applicant (AA): Oh, hello Mr. Smith. This is Amanda Anderson and I am going to be about 10 minutes late for my interview with you this afternoon. I just wanted to let you know.
DS: Thank you for calling. You said that you are going to be 10 minutes late and it is 4:10pm now. Your interview was scheduled for 4:00pm. So does that mean that you are going to be here any minute or you will be here at 4:20pm?
AA: I will be there around 4:30pm.
DS: Oh. So that means that you are going to be 30 minutes late, then.
AA: Yes, I’m sorry.
DS: May I ask why you are going to be late?
AA: I had to drop my boyfriend off at work, and he didn’t start work until 4:00pm.
DS: Could you have not dropped him off earlier?
AA: I didn’t want him to have to get to work too early and then have to waste his time waiting to start work.
DS: So, that means that you’d rather have me waste my time waiting for you for half an hour, right?
AA: Well, I figured that you are at work and so it wouldn’t matter so much.
DS: Well, unfortunately it does matter. I have another appointment at 5:15pm. So, if we’re not able to start your interview until 4:30pm, then we either won’t have time to finish it, or I will be late for my next appointment.
AA: Can’t you be late for your next appointment?
DS: I’m afraid I don’t want to do that. So, I guess we’ll have to cancel your interview this afternoon.
AA: Cancel it? Oh. Well, when can we reschedule it?
DS: I don’t think I will have any time to reschedule it. So, I will wish you good luck with your job search and we will go our own ways.
AA: Can’t we just do it today and you can start your next appointment late? Or we could do it around 3:00pm tomorrow?
DS: No, I’m sorry. I don’t have any other time to reschedule. So, good luck with your job search.
AA: So you’re not going to interview me just because I am a little bit late?
DS: Well yes, that is one of the reasons. However, the bigger reason is because you don’t seem to understand how or care that your lateness may impact other people. And, one of the values of this company is consideration. Based on our conversation, you have demonstrated that you don’t possess that value, so I don’t believe that you would be a good fit for the organization. So, good luck with your job search.
AA: May I reschedule my interview for another time then?
DS: No. I’m sorry but, based on our conversation, I feel confident that you are not a good fit for the position.
AA: This just doesn’t seem right. I was considerate to my boyfriend.
DS: I guess we will have to agree to disagree whether or not this is right. So, I will wish you good luck with your job search and we will end our conversation, ok?
AA: May I speak to someone else about rescheduling my interview?
DS: Unfortunately no. I’m the only person conducting the current round of interviews for the position. Have a good evening Amanda. Good-bye.
DS hangs up the phone and spends about 20 minutes responding to some emails. At 4:50pm, he packs up and leaves the office to go to his next appointment, which is off-site. As he is walking through the lobby of the office, there is a young woman entering the lobby. The reception area is closed, so DS offers his assistance to the woman entering the lobby.
PART 2:
DS: The receptionist has left for the day and there are very few people left in the office, so may I help you?
AA: Yes, I am here to see Dave Smith.
DS: I am Dave Smith.
AA: Oh, hi Mr. Smith. I’m Amanda Anderson and I am here for my interview.
DS: I’m sorry. I’m on my way out to my other appointment and I told you I did not have time to conduct your interview.
AA: But I am here now?!
DS: Yes, you are. But I am leaving now. I’m sorry, but I will not be having an interview with you.
AA: But I am here for my interview?!
DS: Amanda, your interview was scheduled for 4:00pm. It is now 4:50pm. And, I made it very clear that I would not be conducting your interview. I have another appointment in 25 minutes and I must leave.
AA: When can I do an interview then?
DS: With me? For this job?
AA: Yes.
DS: Never. Had you shown up on time, or had a reasonable excuse for being late, and had you shown some consideration for others, I may have rescheduled your interview. But, I’m afraid that based on what I’ve learned about your punctuality, consideration, listening skills, and general professionalism, this is not a good fit for you. So, you will not be having an interview for this position.
AA: I just don’t understand what the big deal is?
DS: Exactly! And that is really the biggest reason why you are not appropriate for this job.
DS holds the lobby door open and motions for AA to leave. AA stands for a moment stunned, and then leaves, visibly angry.
(There is more to this story – but we’ll give you the lesson first. That way, you don’t have to read the rest, if you don’t want to.)
The Lesson
Throughout our life we learn three things: Knowledge, skills and attitudes. Knowledge is facts and concepts; Skills are performable actions; Attitudes are values and beliefs. On the job, an employee demonstrates all three and, while knowledge and skills will likely increase or improve as the employee gains more experience, attitudes will most likely be best demonstrated during the selection process and the subsequent probationary period. Those are the times when the employee will be on his/her best behaviour. Attitudes usually govern how we behave.
For example, all employees know that they should always be at work on time (that is common knowledge) but, some employees continually show up for work late. That is because they don’t possess the proper attitude towards punctuality. And the attitude has governed their behaviour, even though it contradicts the knowledge they have.
In this case, Amanda demonstrated a negative attitude towards punctuality and consideration for others. It is highly likely that she knew that she should show up for the interview on time, so she had the knowledge. Knowing that her attitudes will be best demonstrated during the selection process, DS quickly realized her actions proved that she didn’t possess the desired attitudes and made the decision that she wasn’t a good fit for the job right away.
Our Advice
If an applicant shows an undesirable attitude during the selection process, she/he’s probably a poor fit, so don’t hire him/her. If a new employee shows an undesirable attitude during the probationary period, seriously consider cutting your losses early, rather than increasing your potential liability if you allow him/her to complete the probationary period. Remember, attitudes will usually never be demonstrated better than during the selection process and the probationary period, so watch for them during those times.
Now we continue the story…
PART 3:
DS arrives for work the next day and notices that he has a voice message on his telephone. The voice message asks him to telephone Mr. Anderson. So, DS dials the number and here is the conversation:
DS: May I speak to Mr. Anderson please?
MA: This is Mr. Anderson (MA).
DS: Hi Mr. Anderson. This is Dave Smith and I am the Human Resources Manager at ABC Company. I am returning your call.
MA: Thank you for returning my call. I was phoning to reschedule the job interview you cancelled with my daughter yesterday.
DS: (not yet relating this call to the incident the previous afternoon) I’m sorry, I’m not sure what interview you are referring to?
MA: Well, let me refresh your memory. You had an interview with my daughter Amanda yesterday, and when she showed up for the interview you just left and told her she wasn’t suitable for the job without even interviewing her.
DS: Oh yes. I know the situation you are talking about. Yes, you are correct, however there is one major detail that you may not be aware of. Your daughter arrived for interview almost 50 minutes late.
MA: Yes, I was aware of that Mr. Smith. I’m also aware that she did telephone you to inform you that she would be late.
DS: Correct, but with a very poor excuse.
MA: The excuse shouldn’t matter. She did call to tell you she would be late.
DS: Mr. Anderson, I have explained to your daughter what her actions demonstrated to me as a prospective employer. I’m sure we both have better things to do than to rehash this situation again.
MA: I have nothing better to do than to get my daughter this job.
DS: Unfortunately, you won’t be able to do that. Your daughter has already lost this job.
MA: She has lost the job based on discriminatory hiring practices, and that is illegal.
DS: May I ask how this is discriminatory?
MA: You are prohibited from discriminating against people who have family responsibilities. She had to drive her boyfriend, who could be considered a legal partner, to work. And if she dropped him off too early, he would be inconvenienced. You discriminated based on family status.
DS: I’m sorry Mr. Anderson. Clearly our opinions of the situation are quite different, as are our understandings of what constitutes discrimination based on family status. I will not be interviewing your daughter and she will not be getting a job here.
MA: So, I guess I will be calling a lawyer then! You will be hearing from our lawyer.
DS: That is your prerogative Mr. Anderson. Have a good day.
(DS never heard from a lawyer)
Two Other Lessons:
1. Attitudes are learned by experience and example. It appears that Amanda learned her attitudes through the example her father set.
2. When you have a situation like this, make notes after your conversations. If Mr. Anderson had contacted a lawyer who, for some strange reason decided to take on his case, you may need notes to remind you of the details. Even though you have a strong case, it’s better to be safe than sorry as a lot of time may pass between the actual situation and when you may need to defend yourself. Be prepared and don’t be “bullied” when you know you are correct.